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Who became Cyclonus? Skywarp, Bombshell or an Insecticon Clone?

There are certain debates that run in fandoms, sometimes for decades.

Star Wars: Why didn’t Anakin’s rich princess girlfriend ever buy Anakin’s mother out of slavery for him, and why when he was a powerful Jedi did he wait so long to go back for her?

Star Trek: How was it Kirk could spend decades surviving every danger in the galaxy, even getting into a fight with God, yet was killed by a rickety bridge on  some backwards planet?

Harry Potter: If Voldermort had no nose, how did he smell?

 

In the 1986 film The Transformers: The Movie, amongst numerous other animation errors, there was at one point two of Cyclonus.  One seeming to be reformatted from Bombshell, the other from Skywarp.  The second Cyclonus (sometimes called ‘Armada’) quickly disappeared.

So fans have been arguing for decades – Who became Cyclonus?  Bombshell or Skywarp?

Well truth be told, there is no real answer.  In the original script, just like how Scourge (reformatted from Thundercracker) had a slew of identical looking bots to him called The Sweeps, so the script called for there to be multiple bots that looked like Cyclonus.

Toys Review – Studio Series Hot Rod & Scourge

This idea was dropped from the script, but not before the animation had been produced and included, which resulted in there being two of Cyclonus on screen.

So no, there is no official answer.  It’s an animation error, plain and simple.

 

So perhaps the question should be.  Which bot does it make more sense for to be turned into Cyclonus – Bombshell or Skywarp?

 

Some fans argue vehemently that it should be Bombshell as he was the closer one to screen during the reformatting.  Bombshell was most prominent, so therefore it should be Bombshell.  There have also been a few pieces of ancillary media, such as the Transformers Universe comic and a 2003 video game that state Bombshell became Cyclonus.

Cyclonus & Skywarp side by side

But at this risk of irritating these fans, and thus reigniting a geek-war which has never truly died, I argue that it should be Skywarp.  In fact, I argue that Bombshell should not even be considered as it makes more sense for it to have been an Insecticon Clone.  Let’s look at why.

 

Vehicle Symmetry

Thundercracker, the blue jet, was reformatted into Scourge, a blue Cybertronian flying craft.  Therefore it makes sense for Skywarp, the black jet with purple accents, to be reformatted into Cyclonus, a purple Cybertronian flying craft.

 

Toy placement

1985 Catalog

In the 1985 catalog there were 6 Decepticon jets, Starscream, Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Skywarp and Thundercracker.  In the 1986 catalog, Skywarp and Thundercracker were replaced with Cyclonus and Scourge.

1986 Catalog

 

Loyalty

Skywarp & Megatron

Skywarp was never shown to betray Megatron, whereas the Insecticons were famous for it.  Cyclonus is intensely loyal to Galvatron, showing none of the disloyalty the Insecticons did.

Cyclonus & Galvatron

 

DVD Releases

In several DVD releases of the movie, in special features it states that Skywarp becomes Cyclonus.

 

Japanese Continuity

Unlike with many western audiences, the Japanese take on the continuity has always been relatively free of debate.  Indeed in the story Macrocosmic Seekers Cyclonus regresses and rediscovers the teleportation ability he once possessed as Skywarp.  The bio for the latest Masterpiece Skywarp also states that he eventually becomes Cyclonus.

 

Replication

So many Insecticon Clones…

The Insecticons Clones have been shown to replicate.  The Sweeps are also assumed to replicate, since no matter how many get destroyed (only 3 were initially created by Unicron in the movie) there always seems to be more.  In the episode ‘Call of the Primitives’ one is heard to say ‘Sweeps 6 & 7 coming in for a strike’.  Skywarp had a teleportation ability, not a cloning ability, so it makes no sense for him to have become a Sweep.

… and now so many Sweeps
Sweeps & Insecticlones – you never run out of either.

 

InsectiClones, not InsectiCons.

The Insecticons were still in S3 of the cartoon

To muddy the waters even more, in my opinion, it makes much more sense for it to have been Insecticon Clones rather than the original trio.  This is based on the Insecticons showing up further in the movie at later stages, as well as season 3 of the cartoon.  Since Insecticon clones have never been shown to exist without in some way being connected to their projinators, it makes sense that it was Clones, not the Insecticons themselves that were reformatted.  This again ties into the idea that this is why the Sweeps can replicate.  From a sales standpoint, the Insecticons were still being sold in 1986, whereas Thundercracker and Skywarp had been discontinued, so it makes sense for the characters to have not been killed off before thier toys were.

Season 3, Episode 1
Season 3, Episode 3
Season 3, Episode 5

 

Now I am aware that there are counterarguments to much of what I have cited, such as S3 of the cartoon is infamous for its animation errors.  Kickback was shown getting gravely injured by Kup, so it only makes sense for him to have been thrown out of Astrotrain etc.  Skywarp was way off in the background, so he is the one that became ‘Armada’.  I’m sure a dedicated fan with some spare time could pick holes in much of what I have said. Like mentioned earlier, remember –  there is no real answer, the whole debate is based on an animation error in a 38 year old movie designed to sell toys!

   But Cyclonus becoming Skywarp?  That makes the most sense to me 😉

Cyclonus: “Wait, some of you still think I was created from that little bug guy?!”

Do you agree, or are you adamant that it was Bombshell that became Cyclonus?  State your theory in the comments section below!

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Toys Review – Studio Series Hot Rod & Scourge

With Haslab’s Unicron due to ship out in a few months and 2021 being the 35th anniversary of The Transformers: The Movie, it’s seems the perfect time for Hasbro to cash in on the nostalgia that still surrounds this cult classic movie to this day.

To this end, their higher end Studio Series line is taking a departure from the live-action movies to make figures intended to look as much like their onscreen counterparts as possible from the 1986 animated movie. The preview pictures online have had many fans frothing from the mouth with excitement and today we get to look at two of the Voyager class figures – Scourge and Hot Rod.

 

Scourge

Robot Mode

As someone who owns nearly ever iteration of the Sweeps commander, I can confidently say this is the best looking Scourge we’ve ever had! All the little details from the red claws to the facial hair, along with the larger details such as the bat wings, are just spot on. This really is a beautiful looking figure. He feels really solid with high quality materials used and is very easy to pose.

Scourge the Tracker. And his huntsmen – The Sweeps

Cybertronian Hovercraft

Once again a fantastic representation of how he looked on the screen. The only downside for me is the feet on the rear end of the hovercraft mode which precludes him having his usual rectangular booster. Given the feet were a problem with Earthrise Ratchet’s altmode as well I hope this isn’t a trend we see continued. However this is a minor quibble. You can attach Scourges weapon to the side of the Hovercraft and with a bit of fiddling about you can make his head pop up just like when he was asking to ‘gut Ultra Magnus’.

Peekaboo!

 

Hot Rod

Robot Mode

Hot Rod isn’t nearly as big as Scourge and indeed looks more like a Deluxe Size than a Voyager. However when you see all the options his body comes with along with the accessories you will understand why.

Hot Rod comes with a slew of options from the original toy and movie. As well as his two pistols he comes with;

His arm blasters and visor

 

His welding hand and circular saw

His Matrix of Leadership

All this adds up to being able to recreate a ton of iconic scenes from the movie and I deny any TF:TM fan to resist recreating many of these cinematic moments. Play value through the friggin roof yo!

 

Vehicle Mode

A very nice looking Hot Rod. I can’t say it has a giant ‘wow’ factor as we’ve gotten quite a few nice looking vehicular Hot Rod’s over the years. But it’s still pretty damn good and like Scourge you have the options to add weapon details such as guns from the engine (like his Targetmaster incarnation), his circular saw and also flames coming from the exhaust.

 

Transformations

Both of these figures have very cool transformations. They are quite involved and I recommend using the instructions the first time out, but there are never any moments where you feel lost or frustrated.

 

Worth Getting?

Oh hells yes! These are both fantastic figures and great representations of their movie incarnations. The only minor quibbles I have are Scourges booster as mentioned earlier, and I found one of Hot Rod’s arms very stiff and apt to pop out during transformation. I also would have liked to see his flame add-ons to be orange rather than matrix-fire blue. But these are all minor detractions. These figures, along with their display stands, will look great in anyone’s collection. I managed to get my figures for nearly half price due to a scanning error at the shop, but would feel I was getting my money’s worth even if I’d paid full price.

 So go get these figures now – nothin’s gonna stand in your way – not tonight!

Got something to say about these two figures? Pop it in the comments section below!

 

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