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Transformers Collection – Generations & Fall of Cybertron

And thus the great cataloguing of my collection continues.

Generations is now used as a general umberella term for the majority of Transformers toylines that aren’t specifically based on a movie or cartoon, despite those toylines having their own names such as Power of the Primes or Legacy.  However back in 2010 & 2011 the term first originated with its own Generations toyline. The toyline continued what many lines by this stage, such as Classics and Universe had done before, give fans new takes on classic characters, primarily from G1.    It’s international offshoot GDO, had more characters based on G1, however for some reused moulds from the Movieverse line.  Generations also introduced action figures based directly on the video game War for Cybertron.

In 2013 & 2014 it received it’s sequel toyline, Generations: Fall of Cybertron.  This line consisted exclusively of figures based around the Fall of Cybertron video game, including many characters who did not appear in game but were designed in a similar style.  FOC was supposed to fall into the ‘Aligned’ continuity, but given how G1 the characters were, most consider it much more of the G1 universe than that of Prime.

 

My Transformers Generations Collection

Transformers Generations Autobots

*Item #GENA001: Transformers Generations Autobot Red Alert

*Item #GENA002: Transformers Generations Autobot Blurr

*Item #GENA003: Transformers Generations Autobot Sergeant Kup

*Item #GENA004: Transformers Generations Autobot Wheeljack

*Item #GENA005: Transformers Generations Autobot Warpath

*Item #GENA006: Transformers Generations Junkion Junkheap

*Item #GENA007: Transformers Generations Autobot Drift

 

*Item #GENA008: Transformers GDO Protectobot Hot Spot

 

*Item #GENA009: Transformers GDO Autobot Swerve (MOSC)

 

*Item #GENA010: Transformers GDO Autobot Bluestreak

*Item #GENA011: Transformers GDO Autobot Hoist

 

*Item #GENA012: Transformers WFC Autobot Cliffjumper

*Item #GENA013: Transformers WFC Autobot Optimus Prime

*Item #GENA014: Transformers WFC Autobot Bumblebee

 

Transformers Generations Decepticons

*Item #GEND001: Transformers Generations Decepticon Skullgrin

*Item #GEND002: Transformers Generations Decepticon Darkmount

*Item #GEND003: Transformers Generations Decepticon Thunderwing

*Item #GEND004: Transformers Generations Decepticon Scourge

*Item #GEND005: Transformers Generations Decepticon Skyshadow

 

*Item #GEND006: Transformers Generations Decepticon Seeker Thundercracker

*Item #GEND007: Transformers Generations Decepticon Seeker Thrust

 

*Item #GEND008: Transformers Generations Decepticon Seeker Dirge

*Item #GEND009: Transformers Gentei! Gentei! Decepticon Seeker Dirge

 

*Item #GEND010: Transformers GDO Decepticon Powerdive

 

*Item #GEND011: Transformers GDO Stunticon Motorbreath

*Item #GEND012: Transformers GDO Decepticon Seeker Thundercracker

 

*Item #GEND013: Transformers WFC Decepticon Megatron

*Item #GEND014: Transformers WFC Decepticon Soundwave

 

My Transformers Generarations: Fall of Cybertron Figures

Fall of Cybertron Autobots

*Item #GFOCA001: Transformers FOC Autobot Ultra Magnus

*Item #GFOCA002: Transformers FOC Autobot Optimus Prime

 

*Item #GFOCA003: Transformers FOC Dinobot Grimlock

 

*Item #GFOCA004: Transformers FOC Autobot Blaster

 

*Item #GFOCA005: Transformers FOC Autobot Steeljaw

*Item #GFOCA006: Transformers FOC Autobot Eject

*Item #GFOCA007: Transformers FOC Autobot Rewind

*Item #GFOCA008: Transformers FOC Autobot Ramhorn

*Item #GFOCA009: Transformers FOC Autobot Sunder

 

*Item #GFOCA010: Transformers FOC Autobot Sideswipe

*Item #GFOCA011: Transformers FOC Autobot Jazz

*Item #GFOCA012: Transformers FOC Aerielbot Air Raid

 

 

*Item #GFOCA013: Transformers FOC Wrecker Impactor

 

Fall of Cybertron Decepticons

*Item #GFOCD001: Transformers FOC Decepticon Seeker Starscream

 

*Item #GFOCD002: Transformers FOC Insecticon Kickback

*Item #GFOCD003: Transformers FOC Decepticon Shockwave

 

*Item #GFOCD004: Transformers FOC Decepticon Soundwave

*Item #GFOCD005: Transformers FOC Decepticon Soundblaster

 

*Item #GFOCD006: Transformers FOC Decepticon Rumble

*Item #GFOCD007: Transformers FOC Decepticon Frenzy

*Item #GFOCD008: Transformers FOC Decepticon Ravage

*Item #GFOCD009: Transformers FOC Decepticon Ratbat

*Item #GFOCD010: Transformers FOC Decepticon Buzzsaw

*Item #GFOCD011: Transformers FOC Decepticon Laserbeak

 

*Item #GFOCD012: Transformers FOC Combaticon Onslaught

*Item #GFOCD013: Transformers FOC Combaticon Vortex

*Item #GFOCD014: Transformers FOC Combaticon Swindle

*Item #GFOCD015: Transformers FOC Combaticon Brawl

 

*Item #GFOCD016: Transformers Generations FOC Decepticon Combaticon Blast Off (MOSC)

 

Fall of Cybertron Exclusive G2 Bruticus Set (MISB)

Containing:

*Item #GFOCD017: Transformers FOC G2 Combaticon Onslaught

*Item #GFOCD018: Transformers FOC G2 Combaticon Blast Off

*Item #GFOCD019: Transformers FOC G2 Combaticon Vortex

*Item #GFOCD020: Transformers FOC G2 Combaticon Swindle

*Item #GFOCD021: Transformers FOC G2 Combaticon Brawl

 

Total Count: 62

Who became Cyclonus? Skywarp, Bombshell or an Insecticon Clone?

There are certain debates that run in fandoms, sometimes for decades.

Star Wars: Why didn’t Anakin’s rich princess girlfriend ever buy Anakin’s mother out of slavery for him, and why when he was a powerful Jedi did he wait so long to go back for her?

Star Trek: How was it Kirk could spend decades surviving every danger in the galaxy, even getting into a fight with God, yet was killed by a rickety bridge on  some backwards planet?

Harry Potter: If Voldermort had no nose, how did he smell?

 

In the 1986 film The Transformers: The Movie, amongst numerous other animation errors, there was at one point two of Cyclonus.  One seeming to be reformatted from Bombshell, the other from Skywarp.  The second Cyclonus (sometimes called ‘Armada’) quickly disappeared.

So fans have been arguing for decades – Who became Cyclonus?  Bombshell or Skywarp?

Well truth be told, there is no real answer.  In the original script, just like how Scourge (reformatted from Thundercracker) had a slew of identical looking bots to him called The Sweeps, so the script called for there to be multiple bots that looked like Cyclonus.

Toys Review – Studio Series Hot Rod & Scourge

This idea was dropped from the script, but not before the animation had been produced and included, which resulted in there being two of Cyclonus on screen.

So no, there is no official answer.  It’s an animation error, plain and simple.

 

So perhaps the question should be.  Which bot does it make more sense for to be turned into Cyclonus – Bombshell or Skywarp?

 

Some fans argue vehemently that it should be Bombshell as he was the closer one to screen during the reformatting.  Bombshell was most prominent, so therefore it should be Bombshell.  There have also been a few pieces of ancillary media, such as the Transformers Universe comic and a 2003 video game that state Bombshell became Cyclonus.

Cyclonus & Skywarp side by side

But at this risk of irritating these fans, and thus reigniting a geek-war which has never truly died, I argue that it should be Skywarp.  In fact, I argue that Bombshell should not even be considered as it makes more sense for it to have been an Insecticon Clone.  Let’s look at why.

 

Vehicle Symmetry

Thundercracker, the blue jet, was reformatted into Scourge, a blue Cybertronian flying craft.  Therefore it makes sense for Skywarp, the black jet with purple accents, to be reformatted into Cyclonus, a purple Cybertronian flying craft.

 

Toy placement

1985 Catalog

In the 1985 catalog there were 6 Decepticon jets, Starscream, Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Skywarp and Thundercracker.  In the 1986 catalog, Skywarp and Thundercracker were replaced with Cyclonus and Scourge.

1986 Catalog

 

Loyalty

Skywarp & Megatron

Skywarp was never shown to betray Megatron, whereas the Insecticons were famous for it.  Cyclonus is intensely loyal to Galvatron, showing none of the disloyalty the Insecticons did.

Cyclonus & Galvatron

 

DVD Releases

In several DVD releases of the movie, in special features it states that Skywarp becomes Cyclonus.

 

Japanese Continuity

Unlike with many western audiences, the Japanese take on the continuity has always been relatively free of debate.  Indeed in the story Macrocosmic Seekers Cyclonus regresses and rediscovers the teleportation ability he once possessed as Skywarp.  The bio for the latest Masterpiece Skywarp also states that he eventually becomes Cyclonus.

 

Replication

So many Insecticon Clones…

The Insecticons Clones have been shown to replicate.  The Sweeps are also assumed to replicate, since no matter how many get destroyed (only 3 were initially created by Unicron in the movie) there always seems to be more.  In the episode ‘Call of the Primitives’ one is heard to say ‘Sweeps 6 & 7 coming in for a strike’.  Skywarp had a teleportation ability, not a cloning ability, so it makes no sense for him to have become a Sweep.

… and now so many Sweeps
Sweeps & Insecticlones – you never run out of either.

 

InsectiClones, not InsectiCons.

The Insecticons were still in S3 of the cartoon

To muddy the waters even more, in my opinion, it makes much more sense for it to have been Insecticon Clones rather than the original trio.  This is based on the Insecticons showing up further in the movie at later stages, as well as season 3 of the cartoon.  Since Insecticon clones have never been shown to exist without in some way being connected to their projinators, it makes sense that it was Clones, not the Insecticons themselves that were reformatted.  This again ties into the idea that this is why the Sweeps can replicate.  From a sales standpoint, the Insecticons were still being sold in 1986, whereas Thundercracker and Skywarp had been discontinued, so it makes sense for the characters to have not been killed off before thier toys were.

Season 3, Episode 1
Season 3, Episode 3
Season 3, Episode 5

 

Now I am aware that there are counterarguments to much of what I have cited, such as S3 of the cartoon is infamous for its animation errors.  Kickback was shown getting gravely injured by Kup, so it only makes sense for him to have been thrown out of Astrotrain etc.  Skywarp was way off in the background, so he is the one that became ‘Armada’.  I’m sure a dedicated fan with some spare time could pick holes in much of what I have said. Like mentioned earlier, remember –  there is no real answer, the whole debate is based on an animation error in a 38 year old movie designed to sell toys!

   But Cyclonus becoming Skywarp?  That makes the most sense to me 😉

Cyclonus: “Wait, some of you still think I was created from that little bug guy?!”

Do you agree, or are you adamant that it was Bombshell that became Cyclonus?  State your theory in the comments section below!

Transformers Collection – Generation One Decepticons

 

 

Video – My 100+ Generations Decepticons

For a bit of fun and a bit of comparison I pulled out of my storage crates a lot of my Decepticons.  In particular, toys that were updates of classic characters, mainly (but not exclusively) from G1.    I was amazed and how many characters have gotten new toys!

So enjoy this short video I made of the display.  Also below you will find some screenshots and a full list of the Decepticons on display along with links to reviews of many of the figures displayed here – have fun!

 

 

 

 

Acid Storm, Apeface, Astrotrain, Axor,

Banzaitron, Battletrap, Bonecrusher, Black Arachnia, Blast Off, Blitzwing, Bludgeon, Bombshell, Breakdown, Brawl, Bruticus, Buzzsaw,

Caliburst, Catgut, Chop Shop, Cyclonus,

Darkmount, Darkwing, Dead End, Devestator, Dirge, Doubledealer, Drag Strip, Dreadwind, Dreadwing,

Fangry, Frenzy, Full-Tilt, 

Galvatron, Gnaw, Grabuge

Hook, Hun-Grrr, 

Jhaixus,

Kickback, Krok,

Laserbeak, Leozack, Liokaiser, Long Haul,

Megatron, Menasor, Mindwipe, Misfire, Mixmaster, Motormaster,

Needlenose, Nightbird, Nightstick, Nemesis Striker,

Octone, Onslaught, Overkill, Overlord

Pounce

Quake

Ramjet, Rampage, Ratbat, Ravage, Rippersnapper, Rodimus Unicronus, Rumble, Runabout

Scavenger, Scourge, Scorponok, Scrapper, Shockwave, Singe, Sixshot, Shrute, Skrapnel, Skullgrin, Skullsmasher, Sky Byte, Sky Shadow, Skywarp, Slice, Slipstream, Slugslinger, Soundblaster, Soundwave, Spinister, Starscream, Submarauder, Sunbeam, Swindle

Tankorr, Thrust, Thundercracker, Thunderwing, Treadshot, Triggerhappy, Trypticon

Vortex

Waspinator, Wildrider, WingspanWindsweeper, Wolfwire,

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