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Age of Primes: Which Bots can be traced back to which Primes?

Which bots can be traced back to which Primes?

The Original 13 Primes has been part of the Transformers mythos for quite a while now.  Be it in the Aligned Continuity, the Movieverse, the Power of The Primes Trilogy, or even retroactively into G1 via the IDW Comics, the idea that Primus originally created 13 Primes in order to battle Unicron has become an established part of Transformers lore.

The next instalment of the Generations toyline is Transformers: Age of The Primes.  And there are some interesting concepts in the trailer for the toys, even stating  “Every Transformers Bot can be traced back to one of the original 13’.

So the question is, who can be traced back to who?

It’s a bigger question than you think.  There are thosands of Transformers characters, and Cybertron is meant to have a populace of millons.  Yet all trace back to 13 – sounds a bit like Astrological signs doesn’t it (though perhaps less ridiculous).  At any rate, lets look at who the actual 13 Primes are, and who is likely to be descended from them:

 

Those Primes with obvious descendants

Solus PrimeThe master artificer and creator of many of the Primes’ weapons through use of her incredible Forge. She was the first female Cybertronian.

Upcoming AOP Figure

As the only female bot amongst the Original 13, it is safe to say that the majority of female Transformers can be traced back to her, even evil ones such as Crasher.

Given her Forge can create weapons as well as heal, it may be that many Transformers who are medics or have weapon modes are descended from her as well.

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Micronus PrimeThe conscience of the Thirteen, and the first Mini-Con, able to link up with and enhance the power of his siblings through the use of his Chimera Stone; responsible for creating the alternate dimension of Microspace.

The only question is: will his toy plug into the other bots?

One could say it’s safe to assume all the small bots can be traced back to Micronus.  Mini-Con’s, Micromasters, Targetmasters, Headmasters, Power Masters – all seem likely to be his descendants.

Toys Review – Micron Micromasters

 

Nexus PrimeThe first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his Enigma of Combination. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.

WIll he be a possible Superion retool?

As the first Combiner, one could assume that groups such as the Constructicons, Stunticons, Aerialbots, Technobots and so on can be traced back to Nexus.

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Onyx PrimeThe first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls, and even the afterlife through his three-faced Triptych Mask.

Do I get a new toy, or a Transmetal II Megatron retool?

As the first Transformer with a beast mode, it is safe to say that most, if not all Transformers with beast modes can be traced back to Onyx.

Toys Review: POTP Terrorcons – First Lot

On a personal note, I would love to see the ‘Primacron’s Assistant’ from the G1 Episode ‘Call of the Primatives’ retroactively be turned into Onyx Prime!

 

Quintus PrimeA daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the Emberstone, which gave him the ability to create life; the Quintessons were among his creations.

A no brainer.  The Quintessons are as stated his creations, as would likely be the likes of the Sharkticons and Allicons.   Possibly other bots with aquatic features such as Sky-Byte, Finback & Submaurader can be traced back to Quintus as well.

Toy Review – WFC Earthrise Quintesson Judge

 

The FallenOnce known as Megatronus, guardian of entropy and wielder of the Requiem Blaster, the Fallen’s name was stricken from history when the dark warrior turned on his siblings.

Upcoming AOP Figure

As many see him as the first Decepticon, surely many in the Decepticon ranks with a thirst for warfare and violence can be traced back to The Fallen, the most obvious of which being Megatron.

Transformers Collection – Generation One Decepticons

 

Those Prime’s with less obvious descendants

PrimaThe leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light and the first Matrix-bearer who wielded the Star Saber.

You can remove my Matrix and attach it to the hilt of my sword – friggin sweet!

Being the first ever Transformer and the leader of the Original 13, it could be said that those bots who show natural leadership qualities can be traced back to him.  Ultra Magnus, Springer, Thunderclash, Dai Atlas, Heatwave and Deathsaurus would all be likely candidates.

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Vector PrimeThe master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his Blades of Time.

I smell a repaint coming on!

Very few Transformers have shown the ability, to manipulate time but they exist, examples of such being as Elita-1 and MeantimeBlurr’s speed could be put down to a manipulation of time, moving so fast everything else seems stationary.  And Skywarp could be said to be a master of space with his teleportation ability.  It could also be conjectured that Transformers with space-faring capabilities such as Galaxy Shuttle hail from Vector Prime.

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Alchemist PrimeStudent of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his Lenses, which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses; fond of the occasional tipple, with some claiming that he still walks Cybertron in the form of a humble bartender.

Please let me get a proper figure and not be a Build-a-Bot!

Being an expert in the material & spiritual realms, bots who show a penchant for such things could well trace themselves back to Alchemist.  This could include bots such as Wheeljack, Beachcomber, Mindwipe and Shockwave.  And since Alchemist likes a tipple, maybe we could throw Trailbreaker in for good measure.

Toy Review – Masterpiece Shockwave

 

Liege MaximoThe “Prime of Lies”, a black-hearted and amoral manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded Liegian Darts, his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking.

“Hmmmm, Loki got his own show, so maybe….”

Stepped in cunning, trickery and with a gift for the convincing others, it is perhaps those bots that exhibit these traits that can be traced back to Liege Maximo.  The likes of Starscream, Swindle,  Tarn, Smokescreen & Jackpot spring to mind.  Also any robots that use weapons akin to stinging darts, such as Venom and Waspinator.

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Amalgamous PrimeThe joker of the Thirteen and the first Shifter, unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of transformation, granted him by his Transformation cog, which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Transformer life.

Good luck making a toy of that!

Since (almost) all Transformers can transform, it makes no sense that all of them can be traced back to Almalgamous as the first Transfromer, as it would mean none are descended from any others.  So perhaps it would be Transformers with special Transforming abilities.  Triple changers such as Blitzwing and Sandstorm, 6-changes such as Sixshot and Quickswitch, or Transformers whose transforming cogs allow them to transform incredibly quickly such as Runabout and Twin Twist.

Toys Review – Titans Return Blitzwing and Octone

 

Those with few obvious descendants

Alpha TrionHolder of the Quill, which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the Covenant of Primus as part of his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.

Alpha Trion, being the one Prime that stayed around the keep watch over the Transformers race, could be said to be the father of all while being the father of none.  Perhaps some more scholarly bots could be traced back to this ancient sage such as Skids, Rung and Sky Dive.

Toy Review – Masterpiece Skids

 

The Thirteenth Prime the last and most mysterious of the Thirteen, all we can say for certain is that he bore a strong connection to the Matrix of Leadership and his depictions look awfully familiar…

Ok, if it turns out Optimus’ original ‘Prime’ body is the same one he slowly evolves back into at the end of the G1 JP toyline, that’s gonna be kind of cool.

The Thirteenth Prime is a puzzler.  Said to be Optimus Prime, who gave up his Primehood and his memories to become the ordinary bot Orion Pax, only to become Optimus Prime once again when chosen by Primus to wield The Matrix and lead the Autobots.   Perhaps some bots that share physical similarities such as Pyro, Ginrai,  Leo Prime and especially Opitmus Primal can be said to trace themselves back to Optimus.

Legends ‘LG35 Super Ginrai’ vs Titans Return ‘Powermaster Optimus Prime’

 

But… but.. what about the Seacons?

Seacons

There are lots of Transformers that have traits or altmodes that make them obviously descended from a specific Prime.  But what about those that could have multiple?

The Seacons are a very obvious example.  They all have aquatic modes, making a link to Quintus Prime very obvious, especially given Overbite turns into a shark-monster with limbs much like a SharkticonHowever they all have beast modes which calls out to Onyx Prime being their progenitor.  But then 5 of the 6 can turn into weapons which screams Solus PrimeAdditionally they are Decepticons with Snap Trap being particularly brutal so that says Megatronus.   And to top it off they can combine, which harkens to Nexus Prime.

There are numerous other examples.  Sky Lynx has beast modes, a special transformation cog allowing him multiple modes, can combine (albeit with himself), can travel through space as a shuttle  and is a Lieutenant Commander.  So who does he trace himself back to – Onyx, Almagamous, Nexus, Vector or Prima?

Multiverse Sky Lynx Toys Gallery

 

So I will be very interested to see with the new Transformers: Age of Primes toyline if they indicate via the packaging which non-Prime characters are descended from specific Prime.  Given that sadly tech specs are mostly a thing of the past perhaps they will do this via symbols specific to specific Primes on the boxes or instruction manuals.

However they choose to move forward, it will be interesting to see if this latest iteration of the Transfomers toy franchise has a lasting impact on the Transformers lore.  And if nothing else, it will be great to finally get some decent official toys of the Original 13 Primes.

Check back soon for my examination of what  “Every Transformers Bot can be traced back to one of the original 13’ could mean for the lore of the Titans!

Legends ‘LG35 Super Ginrai’ vs Titans Return ‘Powermaster Optimus Prime’

Super Ginrai.  Not just the Japanese version of Powermaster Optimus Prime but a character unto his own right.  Finding himself to be not just an ordinary human but to be an actual Autobot Godmaster (how’s that for a bitchin subgroup name!) who could bond with a Transector in order to don the visage of legendary Autobot leader Optimus Prime and fight the evil Destrons…

… or so the story goes.  It may be a different character technically but in reality it’s pretty much the same damn toy.  The G1 Super Ginrai and Powermaster Optimus had very few differences, even if one was a little Japanese dude obsessed with his big hair in a mech suit and the other was Optimus Prime on steroids.

Here we are 30 years later and we have a similar thing happening.  The (US) Titans Return toy is ‘Powermaster Optimus Prime’ whilst the retooled (JP) Legends version is ‘LG35 Super Ginrai’.  Both toys have their pro’s and cons.  Six months ago I reviewed the Optimus toy (which can be read HERE); today I’m going to give a quick overview of the Legends Super Ginrai version and then most importantly engage in a comparison.  This way you, my loyal readers, will know which to shell out your hard-earned money on.

 

First off – Super Ginrai!

I’m not Optimus Prime, I swear!

Truck Mode

No, I’m not Optimus I said!

Very nice and solid.  Unbeknown to most there is a small screw between the cab wheels you can loosen so that the cab does not have to sit flush with the trailer.  The trailer is very reminiscent of the original toy and the trailer has all the armament that the G1 version did.  The end result is a Mad Max’esque tractor trailer in a world gone mad – nice!

 

Robot Mode

Look, I’m not f*cking Optimus Prime OK!?!

Instead of Ginrai turning into the engine of his Optimus (but not Optimus) mech he now turns into the head. While still a cool concept I liked the engine gimmick better simply as it was that bit rarer.  Very nice proportions, decently articulated and a nice paintjob.  Good overall.

 

Base Mode

And no, I’m not ‘Optimus who got stuck in a particularly challenging yoga pose’ either you f*cking smartass!

Really does not stand up to the original G1 toys base mode.  There are some gun turrets that Ginrai can sit in and all the guns from the other two modes are useable here.  But it looks sparse and everything looks a bit flimsy – like he got stuck in mid-transformation.

 

Comparison between Legends LG-35 Super Ginrai and Titans Return Powermaster Optimus Prime

Vehicle Mode

Ginrai looks a lot more similar to the original toy whereas Optimus looks like an updated version, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.  The black guns on the top of trailer work a lot better on Ginrai and his robot feet sit a lot more flush at the back.  I have to give points to Optimus for a new style and Ginrai for a more balanced look.

Base Mode

6 of 1, a half dozen of the other.  Both don’t look flash to me.  There are a few differences with the different chest pieces that come up to be the central seat for the Headmaster. The towers on Ginrai work being put higher due to you being able to place the black guns half way up, something you cant do with Optimus due to his robots hands not rotating.

 

Robot Mode

‘One of these bots is not like the other…’

One of the most significant differences are the ankles.  Ginrai’s have been extensively retooled in order that they pivot better and provide more height.  This makes Ginrai slightly taller than Optimus overall.  Optimus’ hand guns look that bit more impressive but Ginrai is able to hold his better due to maneuverable wrists.  The chest armor is slightly different as well.  Overall I think Ginrai does look that bit better than Optimus here.

 

Apex vs Ginrai

Two heads are…. no, wait, too obvious a joke. I’ll come back.

Apex is the name of Optimus’ Titan Master partner whereas Ginrai is, well, Ginrai but as stated turns into a head instead of an engine.  When comparing the two, Apex transforms into a head which looks a lot like Orion Pax, with the Optimus helmet going over the top.  Ginrai turns into an Optimus head with… er… an Optimus helmet going over the top (the definition of redundant).  So Apex wins the alt-mode race but the robot/human mode race is no race at all.  Ginrai has lots of detail and (even though you probably cant tell with my bad camera) even has a little human face. Apex by comparison has bland colours and a featureless head.

Ones a robot, ones a human in a mech suit. Both have absolutely screwed torsos

 

So who to choose?

Look, I got both because of the displays I wanted to create.  One display is of Optimus Prime figures which turn into trucks and have a trailer so Powermaster Optimus Prime goes there.  The other is robot modes of all the different Generations (and Generations subsets) characters and while I have plenty of Generations Optimus figures I didn’t have a Ginrai one so he goes there.  That said, I still feel like I wasted my money a bit by getting both.  They are just too similar to warrant the expenditure on two Leader-class figures.

If I was to pick one I’d pick Ginrai.  The robot mode is better and the Headmaster partner is a lot better.  Ginrai wins.  But then I guess, if you get both, you can at least join them up in to one super base like I have below!

 

Got something you would like to add to this ‘comparison of toys’ review?  Would love to read it in the comments section below!